Stars of Franchising Podcast

“Reclaim your truth, step into your power, and transform every area of your life. Guiding women leaders back to themselves and their power.”

In this episode of Stars of Franchising, Stacy Bahrenfuss—founder of SoulCharge—shares a powerful perspective on leadership, growth, and sustainability in franchising and entrepreneurship. Drawing from her journey from real estate success to inner transformation, Stacy challenges traditional definitions of success and highlights the unseen emotional and mental costs of scaling.

This conversation explores how leaders can build high-performing businesses without sacrificing their well-being, emphasizing alignment, intentionality, and internal clarity as the true drivers of external results.

What if the biggest thing holding your business back … is your internal state?

Just wrapped an incredible Stars of Franchising episode with Stacy Bahrenfuss, and one idea really stood out: “Internal state first. External results always respond.”

In franchising and entrepreneurship, we talk nonstop about growth—units, revenue, expansion … But we don’t talk enough about the hidden cost of scaling:

• The pressure leaders carry
• The misalignment that starts at the top
• The burnout that quietly builds during growth

Stacy challenged the traditional playbook with a simple but powerful shift: Success isn’t about doing more.

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“You have to choose your hard—and then embrace it.”

On the latest episode of Stars of Franchising, we sit down with Jamie Lavigne—franchise development leader at EverSmith Brands and on the Board of Directors of New England Franchise Association to dig into what separates great franchisors from the rest.

With nearly two decades of experience across legacy and emerging brands, Jamie shares candid insights into the franchising journey—from how the best franchisors build strong support systems and evolve their training, to the critical importance of transparency, due diligence, and unit economics.

She also pulls back the curtain on franchise development, describing it not as selling—but as guiding candidates through a structured process to determine true fit. Along the way, Jamie challenges common misconceptions, highlights the risks of being “too entrepreneurial” in a franchise system, and explains why understanding how you might fail is just as important as knowing how to succeed.

Listeners will walk away with practical advice on evaluating franchise opportunities, building resilience, and embracing the reality that entrepreneurship—whether independent or franchised—is never easy, but deeply rewarding when approached the right way.

Key Takeaways

• The best brands don’t just grow—they build strong support systems behind their franchisees
• Transparency matters: great franchisors lead with challenges, not just the “shiny” wins
• Not everyone is the right fit for franchising—and that’s okay
• One of the most important questions to ask: “How do I fail?”

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“We don’t rise to the level of our goals, we fall to the level of our systems. And AI helps you with those processes and systems. So that’s the beautiful world of franchising: everything comes down to those processes and systems.”

How can franchise systems leverage artificial intelligence to enhance operational consistency while improving financial performance? In this episode, David Owasi offers a systems-oriented perspective on AI adoption in franchising, emphasizing the importance of structured processes and rapid lead engagement.

The conversation explores how AI-driven tools can reinforce established playbooks, reduce variability across units, and enable franchisees to capture opportunities that would otherwise be lost due to capacity constraints. Owasi also discusses implementation strategies, including pilot programs, franchisor-led standardization, and tiered adoption models.

The episode concludes with reflections on the enduring importance of systems thinking in franchising, particularly as AI becomes an integral component of operational infrastructure.

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“Everything I do, personally and professionally, is to enhance the lives of my family.”

In this episode, Aaron Harper shares a deeply personal and practical perspective on franchising, scaling, and leadership. Grounded in family, purpose, and discipline, Aaron walks through what it really takes to build a fast‑growing franchise system—financially, emotionally, and structurally. From pre‑investing millions before launch to “firing yourself” as the business evolves, Aaron offers an unfiltered look at sustainable growth in franchising.

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“Entrepreneurship is not a straight line … everything in this journey is just a phase. So you’ve gotta push through that phase, and then you get to the next part.”

Elyse Lupin shares how she built and scaled a franchise-focused marketing agency—why she chose franchising, what franchise development marketing requires, and how she leads a high-trust team while using AI as an efficiency tool (not a substitute for judgment).

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“Never give up. Take a breath, reevaluate, and move forward stronger.”

This week, we sit down with Colleen Upham, co‑founder of Oh Deer, the all‑natural deer, tick, and mosquito control franchise redefining eco‑friendly home services across the country.

Colleen’s story is a powerful blend of mission, resilience, and heart. From mixing formulas in a basement while raising newborn twins to building a franchise system rooted in community and care, she shares what it takes to grow the right way—with intention, values, and a commitment to franchisee success.

We cover:

• Building a purpose‑driven brand
• Knowing when to pause growth to strengthen systems
• Selecting franchisees who align with your mission
• How innovation often comes from the field
• Balancing entrepreneurship and family
• Why “all‑natural” is more than a trend—it’s the future

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“Your role is to build the business … You can have any conversation with a franchisee if you have a solid relationship. That’s the foundation of everything I’ve learned in the franchise business.”

In this episode of Stars of Franchising, hosts Ab Igram and Vinnie Onyemah sit down with veteran franchise executive Patrick Cunningham, whose nearly 30‑year career spans Domino’s, Dunkin’, Baskin Robbins, Little Caesars, and now Bobby’s Burgers by Bobby Flay.

Patrick shares how he went from selling molecular sieves to becoming one of franchising’s most respected development leaders, discussing the power of relationship‑driven franchising, the realities of operational challenges today, and what makes Bobby Flay’s brand such an exciting emerging concept.

He offers candid insights on:

• Building trust between franchisors and franchisees
• How ownership changes (private equity, public companies) affect systems
• What great operators look like—and why they matter more than markets
• The biggest myths about franchising
• Growth challenges around labor, capital, and real estate
• Leadership lessons, mentorship, and why “family comes first”

Whether you’re a franchisor, franchisee, operator, or aspiring leader in multi‑unit retail, this conversation is loaded with wisdom, honesty, and practical takeaways.

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“You have to be deliberate about becoming an investor at the same time.”

In this episode of Stars of Franchising, we feature Ruzanna Queenan, a finance and wealth management expert, discussing her journey, insights, and advice for entrepreneurs and franchise owners. The conversation explores financial discipline, mindset, scaling businesses, and the evolving role of technology in franchising.

With over 25 years of experience in corporate finance and investments, her mission is to help families and entrepreneurs manage money and life intentionally. Motivated by her financial scarcity growing up, it shaped her passion for finance.

In this episode we will learn Key Financial Lessons for Franchise Owners:

• Cash flow management is critical
• Maintain discipline in distribution
• Budgeting is essential
• Mindset shapes financial success
• Personal financial habits influence business health
• Growing presence or women in franchising

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“Great franchisees aren’t born—they’re built. And it always starts with how they think, not just what they do.”

In this standout episode, we sit down with Scott Greenberg—international speaker, best-selling author of The Wealthy Franchisee, and one of the most respected voices in franchise performance. With 10 years of firsthand experience as a multi-unit franchisee and two decades of coaching top brands around the world, Scott brings clarity to the one question every operator needs to answer: 

Why do some franchisees thrive while others struggle—even with the same brand, the same training, and the same resources? 

Blending research, storytelling, and humor, Scott breaks down the difference between operational competence and performance psychology—showing how elite operators think, lead, and make decisions differently. 

In this episode: 

• Why identical franchise systems produce wildly different results
• The mindset patterns of high-performing franchise operators—and how to build them intentionally
• Why “work ethic” and “hours logged” aren’t enough to win
• How frustration, comparison, and burnout quietly sabotage great operators
• What franchisors can do to truly develop—not just train—their franchisees
• Traits of the most coachable (and least coachable) franchisees
• Why culture has become a performance multiplier in modern franchising
• The difference between growing units and growing leaders
• Emotional management in the face of setbacks, competition, and online reviews
• The future of franchise performance in an AI-accelerated world

From psychology to practical tactics, Scott delivers a masterclass in how smart operators turn ordinary franchise models into extraordinary results—without losing themselves in the process.

If you’re a franchisor looking to raise your system’s performance ceiling, or a franchisee determined to reach the next level, this conversation will reshuffle how you think, lead, and compete.

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“If you can sell, you can build. And if you can build, you can lead.”

In this special episode, we welcome Alex DiPietro, Babson alum, former hockey player, and the first undergraduate Babson grad featured on Stars of Franchising. Alex brings a dynamic mix of tech sales grit, deep family legacy, and second-generation franchise leadership to the table.

As a multi-unit Dunkin’ operator and second-gen franchisee in one of the most iconic family-run Dunkin’ operations in the Northeast, Alex shares how his background in sales, sports, and entrepreneurship shaped his approach to franchising—and how he’s forging his own path while honoring a powerful legacy.

In this episode:

• How tech sales gave him the entrepreneurial backbone for franchising
• Lessons learned from legendary operator Carlos Andrade
• The myth of absentee ownership—and why leadership starts in the store
• Why he earned his general contractor license to lead remodels himself
• The value of “healthy tension” between ‘Zors and ‘Zees
• Using collaboration and shared infrastructure to drive growth and efficiency
• What keeps him up at night: defining his legacy

From legacy to innovation, Alex’s story is a blueprint in leading from the front.

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“We’ve been lucky to grow up in a playground of entrepreneurship—churros just happen to be the medium.”

In this energizing episode of Stars of Franchising, we sit down with Mateo and Tadeo Acosta-Rubio, Venezuelan-American brothers and second-generation leaders of the beloved global franchise Churromania. From childhood shifts behind the register to launching tech startups while studying at Babson College, their story is about more than just churros—it’s about turning family legacy into innovation.

As co-founders of Clave, a franchise analytics startup, and former founders of Stuvie, the “Airbnb for music studios,” Mateo and Tadeo are blending deep-rooted franchise experience with a Gen Z lens for scale, data, and social impact.

In this episode, they discuss:

• Growing up “smelling like churros”—and turning that into a career
• Why franchising is a goldmine for problem-solvers and innovators
• The creation of Clave, an AI-powered co-pilot for franchise operators
• How social impact and family values fuel their leadership
• Advice from their parents that still guides them daily
• How they’re redefining what it means to be young franchise leaders in a multigenerational business

Whether you're a next-gen franchisee, tech-enabled entrepreneur, or someone building legacy with purpose—this one’s for you.

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“Franchising is not just a business model. It’s an ecosystem of shared success.”

As the founder of GNF Worldwide, Fernando López de Castilla Elías has helped shape the franchise landscape across more than 10 countries. From consulting and sales outsourcing to franchise-focused investment banking, Fernando’s firm has completed over 10,000 deals—making him one of the most influential figures in international franchising today.

In this episode of Stars of Franchising, Fernando joins Ab and Vini to share what it takes to build franchise systems that scale responsibly and sustainably around the globe. With deep expertise in Latin America and a sharp perspective on what it means to “professionalize” franchising, Fernando brings the kind of global insight that franchise leaders at every stage need to hear.

In this episode, Fernando discusses:

• Why most Latin American franchisors fail when they try to scale too soon
• What franchising maturity looks like—and how to know if you're ready to go global
• How his legal and finance background shaped GNF’s investment discipline
• The biggest gaps between U.S. and emerging market franchising approaches
• Why long-term partnerships, not transactions, are the future of the franchise model
• How GNF Worldwide is helping create a new generation of global franchise leaders

This episode is a must-listen for anyone thinking about international growth, emerging markets, or how to turn a franchise system into a long-term asset.

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“If you don’t have a seat at the table, you’re probably on the menu.”

Rob Branca is more than just a multi-unit Dunkin’ operator—he’s a legal mind, real estate investor, second-generation franchisee, and one of franchising’s most active advocates on Capitol Hill. Rob sits down with Ab and Vini to unpack his journey from law school to leadership, and the critical role franchisees play in shaping the future of the industry.

With a deep belief in ownership as a tool for economic mobility, Rob shares powerful insights about scaling with control, staying engaged in policy, and building businesses that give back to the communities they serve.

In this episode, Rob discusses:

• Why owning real estate is one of a franchisee’s greatest advantages
• The laws and politics shaping the future of franchising—and why your voice matters
• The “death zone” in franchising: the real challenges of scaling from 3 to 10 units
• How franchising creates generational wealth and opportunity, especially for immigrants and underserved communities
• The importance of over-communicating and collaborative leadership between ‘Zors and ‘Zees
• Why every franchisee should understand their franchisor’s incentives—and vice versa 

PLUS: Why Rob believes franchising is America’s best-kept economic secret, and what modern operators must do to both thrive and protect the system.

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“Our business is about helping people feel better—whether that’s in body, in mindset, or through entrepreneurship.”

Lindsey McFadden didn’t just join the wellness franchising movement—she’s helping shape the future of it. As Chief Marketing Officer at Stretch Zone, Lindsey brings her sharp eye for strategy and a people-first approach to one of the fastest-growing brands in the health and wellness space. Under her leadership, Stretch Zone has opened 250+ units in just three years—with a perfect record of zero studio closures.

In this energizing episode, Lindsey joins Ab and Vini to share how the brand is scaling responsibly, marketing a category-defining service, and empowering franchisees through community-driven leadership.

In this episode, Lindsey discusses:

• Why she left the consultant world to lead from within
• The strategy behind Stretch Zone’s hyper-growth
• The challenge of educating consumers in a new wellness category
• How storytelling and visuals are driving awareness and demand
• What great franchisor-franchisee communication really looks like
• Why 43% of their franchisees are women—and how she sees that number growing

PLUS: Stretch Zone’s next frontier—international expansion, a custom app, and how they’re making national membership access seamless for customers across the U.S.

This one is a masterclass in leading with clarity, collaboration, and impact. Don’t miss it.

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“You don’t need to be an expert in everything—you just need vision, leadership, and great people.”

Victor Berny grew up in his family’s hardware store business in Mexico. Today, he’s the visionary behind one of the region’s fastest-scaling franchise portfolios—including Little Caesars, Wingstop, and Dunkin’—with dozens of units across the Yucatán and beyond.

In this powerhouse episode of Stars of Franchising, Victor joins Ab and Vini to discuss his journey from modest beginnings to multi-brand franchise leadership—and the mindset shifts that helped him unlock bold growth.

Listen in as Victor shares:

• Why Little Caesars was a turning point—and how the family pivoted into franchising
• How U.S. trends influence brand strategy in Mexico
• The real art behind choosing the right brands and the right locations
• The pros and cons of launching 20 stores at once
• How to build a talent pipeline that scales as fast as your business
• Why “horchata lattes” and local innovation are key to winning hearts

PLUS: What the best franchisors do to earn trust, stay engaged, and treat their franchisees like true partners—especially across borders.

Victor also reflects on how his Babson experience reignited his confidence—and helped him dream even bigger.

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“It’s about creating a lasting culture while embracing growth for the next generation.”

Somia Farid Silber grew up with entrepreneurship in her DNA—starting at the age of nine working at Edible Arrangements, the iconic brand founded by her father, Tariq Farid. Now, after years of learning every aspect of the company, Somia steps into her own spotlight as the new CEO of Edible Brands, just in time for the brand’s 25th anniversary.

In this inspiring conversation back on the Babson College campus, Somia joins Ab and Vini to talk about:

• How starting young builds a lifelong passion for franchising.
• The leadership principles she's bringing into her new role.
• Why culture-building is her top priority as Edible evolves for the next generation of customers.
• How Babson’s problem-solving, entrepreneurial mindset shaped her approach.
• The importance of scaling smartly without losing the heart of the brand.
• What it’s like leading a beloved family-founded franchise into a new era.

PLUS: How Edible is positioning itself to connect with a new generation—Somia’s fresh vision for a brand with deep roots and bold future growth plans.

Ready to hear how the next generation is redefining franchising leadership? Dive in!

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“It’s a beautiful form of entrepreneurship to be a franchisee, because you have so much stability and support but you still are the maven of your own market.”

Debra Strougo worked for the New York City mayor’s office in brand development for “the greatest brand in the world.” But over time her unquenchable passion for fitness beckoned and in 2017 with her husband she launched Row House—now with more than 300 North American locations. Today she’s an investor and advisor—a “founder co-pilot”—for numerous fitness-related brands, helping them as they scale through franchising and manage decision fatigue, and address franchisor/franchisee issues.

In this lively conversation with Ab and Vini, Debra discusses:

• Why the best ‘zees are the ones who “get on the bus.”
• Her holistic approach for potential ‘zees to make sure franchising is the right move for them.
• Franchisor enforcement options, and why ‘zees need to know them by heart.
• Her seismic shift in business model mindset: from expecting to scale Row House to embracing the franchisor model.
• The ways that fitness franchises are in fact communities.
• Why ‘zees need to map out doomsday scenarios while they plan for runaway success.
• Her mid-career realization that franchising is entrepreneurship.

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“If a franchisee invents a practice that is serving them really well, we want them to let us know so we can package it up and share it in the system.”

The beauty market is one of the hottest in franchising, and with more than 100 locations in the U.S. and Canada, Blo Blow Dry Bar is one of the hottest beauty franchises. CEO and partner Vanessa Yakobson joins Ab & Vini to share her journey, her leadership lessons, and her insights on how ‘zees and ‘zors alike can achieve more.

Listen in as Vanessa explains:

• How her 12 years with a children’s cancer charity translated directly to effective leadership at Blo.
• How the customer membership model drove Blo’s pandemic comeback—and how it’s now helping new ‘zees launch strong.
• Her secret to arriving at the best decisions for everyone.
• Why “Be true to yourself” should be the motto of every wanna-zee.
• Her balancing act between continuously evolving her system and focusing on execution.
• How Blo is expanding into new beauty brands—and their ‘zees are saying “take us with you!”

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“When you’re protecting an emerging brand, you’re protecting the stakes of all the people who’d invested in the brand.”

From taking care of her own back pain to taking care of the owners of more than 100 Massage Heights locations, Shane (a member of the IFA board of directors) has priceless insights on building an emerging brand BIG while still keeping it all about the people—‘zees and customers alike.

During her conversation with Ab and Vini, Shane discusses:

• Why franchisee/franchisor communication happens at its best in a “loop.”
• Applying the “Grandma Rule” to define Massage Heights’ values and shape its culture.
• Some very specific questions for potential ‘zees to ask.
• And her contrarian POV on the “franchisees ARE entrepreneurs” theme that’s been a thread running through our first season.

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“Let’s not be copycats. Create a new demand for new products. Don’t be afraid. Go for it. And if you fail, just get up and do it again.”

Our most in-depth look at international franchising yet! Based in Honduras, Justin and Monica have made their mark not only by importing multiple North American and European franchise brands to Central America, but also by expanding their footprints to Eastern Europe and North Africa. Most recently, Gong cha Bubble Tea awarded them the master franchise rights for Central America—they plan to open 50 stores across Honduras, Guatemala, Costa Rica, and El Salvador over the next 10 years.

Justin and Monica joined Ab and Vini to pass along their decades of wisdom gained from both successes and failures. Learn about the special (and numerous) challenges of introducing a franchise brand to a market where it’s not well known. Why open communication with other ‘zees “on the ground” in your market may matter more than open communication with your ‘zor. The power of patience. The universal need to hire values-aligned people. And why they lose sleep over supply chain.

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“There are a lot of things people misunderstand about franchising. People tend to think that if they buy a franchise, their success is going to be guaranteed.”

It took Mark Kushinsky a year and a half as a department store manager to realize he didn’t want to be an employee. He started his own residential cleaning business, then "ran into” franchising and founded MaidPro, which he grew to more than 400 units. Today he’s on the board of Threshold Brands, a seven-brand platform of vastly diverse service-oriented businesses he founded in 2020.

Mark visited with Ab and Vini in studio and shared his insights on the differences between “entrepreneur entrepreneurs” and “franchise entrepreneurs.” Why daily execution of the core business matters more than “the next big thing”—and why culture and connection matter even more. Why managing two brands is 10X harder than managing one. How private equity is changing the franchisee experience. And what prospective ‘zees must do before signing on the dotted line.

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“The better and more diverse backgrounds of the people in your system, the better your brand’s going to be.”

A must-listen for current ‘zees, ‘zees of tomorrow, and anyone else contemplating a startup business venture. As the guy with the final say on who gets a FYZICAL Therapy & Balance franchise, Scott Wendrych is an undisputed authority on what makes a successful franchisee. (Spoiler: It’s not necessarily the same for established and emerging brands.)

Scott joins Ab and Vini to share why FYZICAL attracts franchisee interest, and how it chooses the best of them. The most underrated (yet most important) aspect of being a successful franchisee. Where “maverick” ‘zees have a place in franchise models, and where they’re better off blazing their own entrepreneurial trails. The probing questions he asks prospective ‘zees that no one else asks. And the thing that franchisors do worst.

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“The franchisee/franchisee relationships are critical for the success of our system.”

Annie Tselikis said, “You’re crazy” when her brother Jim and cousin Sabin Lomac hatched the idea of a food truck in Los Angeles serving Maine lobster rolls. But when they tapped into her deep fisheries expertise to shape their business model, Cousins Maine Lobster was under way! Today Cousins delivers an inimitable, mouthwatering Maine lobster roll experience to customers from more than 70 mobile and stand-alone locations.

Annie (now Director of Marketing and Business Development for Slade Gorton seafood products), visited with Ab and Vini and shared her views on why successful scaling requires going all-in on franchisee onboarding. Why effective brand building “starts where the people are.” The “family approach” that keeps the Cousins brand healthy and on the grow. How she applies her global travels and experience in anthropology studies to business operations. And how fun can be a corporate goal.

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“If you just come in as a franchisee and expect to be employed by the franchisor, and just wait for the franchisor to give you direction, that’s a sure way to fail.”

Five years as a franchisee for four U.S. retail brands taught Ramzi Daklouche a lesson that informs his work today at Edible: It’s always all about the local markets. We’re thrilled to welcome Ramzi to the podcast, especially as Edible is rolling out an exciting 2024 brand refresh.

Listen in as Ramzi explains to Ab and Vini the fine line between innovating within a system as a ‘zee and trying to reinvent it. How “the journey of the chicken sandwich” reveals the sustainability of franchise brands (or lack thereof). The danger when ‘zees get in the weeds with location operations. His top-line guidance for entering international markets. His four nuggets of wisdom for wannabe ‘zees. And why tapping the brakes should be part of any expansion plan.

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“Franchisee unit-level economics has to be the most important thing a franchisor thinks about. If they don’t, the system doesn’t work.”

The energy is AMPED in this episode, and no wonder: Guest Jeff Klein is a go-go ‘zee for Dunkin’, Auntie Anne’s, The Gents Place, and biggest of all, Capriotti’s Sandwich Shops, with 14 locations—#1 in the system. Not to mention his role as president of Capriotti’s Franchise Advisory Board. (Want him to stop working? Shut off his wifi!)

Catch Jeff’s franchise bug as he opens up to Ab and Vini about his franchise that lasted only 90 days. His two hot tips for ‘zees who want to up their games. His advice to students and grads who want to get into franchising (it has nothing to do with management). The difference between hiring people and developing them. And the one go/no go question he asks about new franchise opportunities.

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“There’s no such thing as failure. You just didn’t get there yet.”

Alex founded Dr. Dental in 2004 with the vision of retailizing dental care by providing convenient, accessible, quality care via retail dental clinics in convenient neighborhood locations. Now with 57 locations across the northeast, Dr. Dental isn’t a franchise in the strict sense, but a fascinating, franchising-adjacent model for entrepreneurship and scaling.

Listen along as Alex shares with Ab and Vini the core business competencies that power effective repetition and scale. Why the partnership model that fueled Dr. Dental’s beginnings is “a great way to grow but a challenging way to manage.” How being your own competitor (and identifying literal “ground-floor opportunities”) can accelerate market share capture. And how to know when to “take the rocks out of your back pocket.”

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“You can’t fire your way into building a better team of people. That’s why culture matters.”

Our 25th episode is our hairiest yet! In 2018 they asked themselves, “Why not?” and began extending the “Be Nice” culture of Paul Mitchell Schools (Winn as dean and co-founder, John as a ’zee) to a new venture, Salty Dawg Pet Salons. Now they’re creating more opportunity for their Paul Mitchell students while delivering stress-free grooming to “paw-rents.” Along their franchising journeys, they’ve picked up priceless lessons about culture and leadership that will benefit any entrepreneur.

Join Ab and Vini to hear Winn and John’s views on the primacy of culture in any organization—and best practices for scaling culture in expanding franchises. How to bring out the best in people at work by addressing three basic human needs. Why the “circle of influence” is critical to effective leadership. How well-established brands might actually limit opportunities for ‘zees. And what to do about bored employees.

Read or listen to Winn’s book, Be Nice (or Else!): and what’s in it for you

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“As a franchisor, you’re entrusting your franchisees to continue the growth of your brand, and putting the essence of the brand in their hands.”

A proven entrepreneur, visionary and leader, Christo Demetriades has spent three decades as a CEO, CFO, and COO for franchising, restaurant, entertainment, and self-care brands. His superpower: Building and nurturing strong, loyal management teams that drive both culture and goal achievement. He’s also no slouch as a dealmaker—among his exits was selling a fitness venture to Sir Richard Branson’ Virgin Active. Today he (along with Episode 20 guest Heather Elrod) invests in and counsels ‘zors, helping them accelerate the growth of their brands while avoiding the landmines.

Listen as Christo discusses with Ab and Vini the ways that ‘zees and ‘zors can seize opportunity—if they’re in sync with the pace of change in their market. How to anticipate the “curveballs” that can disrupt (and sometimes derail) a business. The combined threat and opportunity of technology for food businesses. His four bits of advice to young potential ‘zees. And the only two things better than starting and growing your own business!

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“Franchising is like politics: It’s all local.”

After a 35-year career as an insurance executive, Gary Raphael found himself “on the short end of a merger” and embarked on a new entrepreneurial journey that has led him to the QSR (quick-service restaurant) franchising model with Rita’s Italian Ice and Frozen Custard. How did his high-level business experience prepare him for the pivot? And how did he ramp up a whole new skill set to establish himself as a successful and enthusiastic ‘zee?

Ab and Vini welcome Gary, who shares what he’s learned along the franchising path: Connecting with “both sides of the passion equation” when committing to a franchise. Why successful ‘zors embrace innovation from their ‘zees. Wrangling the “vapor trails” of online reviews. How young people—as employees and customers—are influencing local social impact by ‘zees. And the personal trait that might make you want to think twice about getting into franchising.

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“Sometimes, franchising is more entrepreneurial, because in the larger franchises all of the great ideas that the customers are experiencing come from the franchisees.”

Was Jonathan Epstein born to follow the franchise model to phenomenal success? With a dad who owned 37 Midas Muffler shops, it’s possible! But as he embarked on his own ventures as a young man, he saw in franchising a natural, logical extension of his entrepreneurial nature—with playbooks for rapid scaling. Sixty-seven Planet Fitness franchises later …

Join Ab and Vini as they welcome Jonathan to the podcast and learn his lessons on establishing a deep understanding of any market you aim to expand into—and making as much noise as possible when you do! The vital importance of being available to your people. “The energy test” potential ‘Zees should give themselves when choosing a franchise. The COVID response that drew Planet Fitness members closer to the franchise—and to each other. And the downside of a hyper-focus on growth.

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“Unit economics is what makes investing in restaurants compelling and exciting.”

Dan Bonoff, a partner at Goode Partners, has been a private equity investor with a focus on the consumer sector for nearly 20 years. During his private equity career, he’s participated in platform investments and add-on acquisitions totaling more than $800 million of equity capital. His concentration on multi-unit restaurant and consumer brands is reflected in his roles as a board member of STONEFIRE Grill, Marolina Outdoor, Rosa Mexicano, and Silver Diner.

Listen as Dan shares his forward-looking perspective on restaurant franchising with Ab and Vini: The dangers of the “growth bug.” How capital providers can have community-level impact.

Why even franchisees should study their competitors—plus the #1, can’t-fail competitive advantage for any business. And what he’d say to his 25-year-old self!

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“As a franchisee, you have to work on the business as well as in the business.”

Heather's career spans 30 years in the franchise, beauty, and wellness industries. She’s held executive positions in multi-billion dollar as well as emerging companies—most notably and recently, Amazing Lash Studios, which she shepherded from 70 locations to more than 200 in just two years. Today, as Managing Partner at Conscious Capital Group, she guides the firm’s investments in emerging franchisors AND leverages her experience to seek out and support growth brands. 

Join Ab and Vini as they tap into Heather’s decades of insights: Why you should study franchising at large (not just your brand!). The “franchisee death spiral” and how to avoid it. The value of giving location managers tangible “skin in the game.” The perils of overscaling. The three things she’d do differently. And the three future trends she’s tracking and preparing for.

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“Some people are not meant to franchise. Some people absolutely should franchise.”

Talk about perfect timing: Tim Vogel opened the first Scenthound dog-care shop in 2020, just as pet ownership skyrocketed during the pandemic. Today, Scenthound boasts more than 50 franchises—so you can expect seriously actionable lessons in scaling from this episode!

Join Ab and Vini to hear Tim’s take on franchises as LOCAL businesses. The power of creating communities of ’Zees. The three priorities of ’Zees for driving brand success. How to apply the scientific method for successful scaling. The moment he discovered his biggest leadership blind spot (and how he fixed it). And how the ’Zee/’Zor relationship is very much like baking!

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“I did everything you’re not supposed to do in finance to open my first studio.”

For Redbird Fitness founder/CEO Elizabeth Roberts, it all started with a pair of “sticky socks” in 2015. Now operating a dozen Pure Barre locations in Massachusetts and Connecticut (scaling from 1 to 5 in her first 5 years), she’s the fitness brand’s top ‘Zee—and a highly respected voice at the highest levels of corporate.

Liz’s journey to scale—and the actionable lessons she’s learned—is the centerpiece of this conversation with Ab and Vini. Learn how she found hot expansion opportunities when new territories were unavailable. Hear about the moment when her franchisee model changed from “business” to “investment.” And listen to her powerful observations on how radical transparency on the part of ‘Zees can transform an entire brand.

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“You always have to be telling your story. If you’re doing good in the world you have to be just as loud and persistent as those who aren’t.”

As President/Co-Founder of Arthur Lee Consulting & Advisory (named in honor of his father’s passion for food equity) and former Executive Director of Social Equity Franchising at Everytable, Bryce Fluellen is driven by the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: “Life’s most persistent question is, ‘What are you doing for others?’”

He’s fought for food justice and social equity for more than 20 years developing and implementing strategic programs at Starbucks, Magic Johnson Enterprises, and the American Heart Association to drive systemic change to benefit underserved populations and communities.

Join Ab & Vini to learn about Bryce’s efforts to remove barriers to sustainable capital (including leveraging a unique non-profit fundraising model for business financing!). How closing gaps in networking and information can open new pathways to wealth and social value creation. About a transformational model of franchisee development, and much more.

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“We’ve seen the power of the system.”

Required listening for current ‘Zees and wannabes! Seeking to bust out of their careers in tech and radio and do their own thing, Bob & Karen Sommers opened the 12th market for Citywide Facilities Solutions 15 years ago. But there’s a twist to the story: Franchising was NOT in their original entrepreneurship plan!

Listen in as the Sommerses share their journey and their learnings with Ab and Vini. Hear how a pandemic pivot transformed their “customer/vendor” relationships to “trusted partner” relationships and made 2020 one of their biggest years. How they tackle the unique sales challenges of a B2B franchise. The can’t-miss due diligence questions when you’re choosing a franchisor. The errors of emotional decisions. And the power of proactivity.

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“There has to be something that’s bigger than just the product … it has to be about the impact it has on the person on the other side.”

With a powerful management and franchising resume (including 19 years at the helm of skoah), Andrea now consults with numerous franchise enterprises on matters ranging from growth and international expansion strategies to the development of operational and branding systems. 

Andrea joins Ab & Vini to reveal how franchising is like parenting(!) … Why financial literacy PLUS loyalty to a franchise brand’s system will always result in the strongest numbers for ‘Zees … The critical importance of shared values to goal setting … and why you should have a few “partners in fear.”

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“You are only as good as the last unit you open.”

That single statement speaks volumes about Brian Belmont’s powerful belief in franchisor/franchisee relationships. As CEO of FYZICAL Therapy and Balance Centers (with more than 500 locations in 46 states) he draws upon his experiences as a Quiznos and Planet Fitness franchisee “to help other people live the dream I got to live.”

Join Ab and Vini as they welcome Brian to the SoF podcast and hear his takes on private equity’s place in the franchising space, the potential of AI, how ‘Zees fit in the strategic planning process, and the #1 thing people get wrong about franchising.

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“What matters is that you’re a good person and you’re passionate about the business.”

From operating 27 School of Rock locations, to now owning 2 of them AND simultaneously serving on The Lash Lounge’s leadership team as VP of Operations, Kristin Kidd has lived all sides of the franchising model. And she has a lot to say about what works (and what definitely doesn’t).

Kristin joins Ab and Vini to share her path from entry level to executive. Listen to her takes on the top things ‘Zees and ‘Zors should do for success. Learn how culture and communication (in both directions) powered The Lash Lounge’s amazing COVID resiliency. And hear why she believes that deep due diligence is the most critical step for anyone considering diving into franchising.

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“As a franchisee, you’re in the business FOR yourself, but not BY yourself.”

As owner of multiple Planet Fitness franchises and Managing Partner at Exaltare Capital Partners, Omar Simmons believes that there are many paths of entrepreneurship. Yet none do more than the franchise model to support the dreams of entrepreneurs from underrepresented communities achieve success.

Join Ab and Vini as they welcome Omar and hear his emphatic belief in the power of partnerships … the essential need for empathy in both ‘Zees and ‘Zors … and his driving vision of franchising as a ladder to wealth equality (and how he’s generously investing to advance that vision and accelerate entrepreneurial talent).

You’ll also hear Omar speak from his extensive experience as both investor and operator to debunk a few common franchising myths. The bottom line: “No one creates value by themself.”

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“Franchising provides the opportunity to tap into entrepreneurial spirit with the guidance of a great play book.”

Welcome to the intersection of marketing and brand-building! As President of LA’s Konnect Agency Amanda Bialek advises franchisors on national strategies and franchisees on local advertising—a true 360-degree perspective of the market challenges and opportunities for franchises!

Amanda joins Ab & Vini to share what she’s learned about shaping clear, shared, long-term visions with ‘Zees and ‘Zors … the dangers of not asking your questions … the critical need to know when it’s time to pivot … recession-proof franchises, and much more.

Every franchise brand needs marketing support at every level. Listen and learn how this authentic, customer-focused leader gets stellar results.

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“The best franchisors recognize that franchisees help make the franchisor system stronger.”

Big Chicken in space? Someday for sure, if Josh Halpern has his way! Josh joins Ab and Vini to share how he’s leveraging his incredible brand, marketing, and operating experience to guide and lead Shaquille O’Neal’s new restaurant concept. A true entrepreneurial leader with a passion for innovation, Josh explains how franchises are (almost) like painting by numbers. How scaling a new franchise brand is like building an NFL team (Spoiler: It’s not all about the QB.). How the “trinity of costs” MUST be an obsession.

PLUS essential gut-checks for ‘Zors and ‘Zees, DEI that expands opportunity AND builds the brand, and lots more. Shaq up with us!

Mentioned in this episode: True North: Leading Authentically in Today’s Workplace, by Bill George and Zach Clayton

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“Time is more valuable than the money we lost. We can recover money, but we can’t recover time lost.”

Can lobsters and sharks get along? Jim and Sabin, our first Shark Tank-veteran guests, would say “ayuh,” having emerged from the CNBC show with Barbara Corcoran as a 15% equity partner!

The real cousins behind Cousins Maine Lobster join Ab and Vini to share how they “jumped ship” from their sales jobs, tapped into childhood memories, launched their passion business, and ended up reeling in money with it. (Compare their story to typical entrepreneurs who start businesses expressly to make money.)

Listen and learn how these two young salespeople are taking franchising by storm—and busting the myth that business and personal relationships don’t go together.

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“Franchisees have to work in the business and be ready to do every single task!”

24 years ago Neal literally rolled up his sleeves and began a 5-year stint in the trenches dirtying his hands and learning one of America’s leading franchise powerhouses from the inside out. Now a respected Dunkin Brands multi-unit franchisee, Neal has priceless thoughts on entrepreneurship and leadership for everyone—priceless because he’s really been there with big mistakes (including an 8-figure whopper!) and huge wins.

And as you’ll also hear, it’s not always “time to make the donuts.” Neal speaks with Ab and Vini about his influential roles higher up in the Dunkin’ organization—and as a director of the New England Center for Children, an autism school and research center.

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“Don’t underestimate the amount of work involved in being a franchisee. It’s full of grit, twists, and turns.”

Our first guest from the B2B arena! Meet a pioneer in the green “circular economy” space and B2B franchising: Elaine Chow, founder of ChopValue Boston, which boasts a groundbreaking and fascinating value proposition: sustainable wood furnishings and custom architectural features manufactured entirely from recycled chopsticks.

Join Ab and Vini to learn how her innovative, earth-friendly franchise model is working and growing by promoting supplier diversity and sustainable procurement—and how it’s a proof-of-concept for successful B2B franchising. By redefining “waste” to “resource”—one chopstick at a time—Elaine and her team vividly exemplify the grit and entrepreneurial spirit in franchise models.

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“Franchises don’t run themselves. There’s no such thing as an semi-absentee owner.”

What’s it like to be “first in” on a new, unproven franchise brand? Soosie Lazenby is principal owner and operator of four StretchLab franchises (under the XPonential Fitness umbrella) in the Tampa Bay metro area. Not only that, she was among the first to commit to this new, emerging franchise brand.

That kind of leap is not for the faint-of-heart, and while it sets Soosie’s approach apart, anyone in the franchise space (or who wants to be) can learn from it. The experiences she shares with Ab and Vini include great insights into what it really takes to be a franchisee—from risk tolerance to financial fitness. You’ll also hear about her lessons gleaned from launching multiple locations and brands simultaneously in multiple states or markets.

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“Innovation comes from the franchisees.”

A must-listen not only for franchisee and franchisor owners, but also for other investors and potential investors in franchise brands! Ken Doyle brings an uncommon and valuable perspective to the podcast—as someone who has made successful investments not only in growth franchisors but also in franchisees. (How successful? Is “no negative exits” successful enough?)

Learn why he finds the franchise model—and franchisees in particular—so attractive as investments in this conversation with Ab and Vini. Ken also shares insights into private equity best practices and investment criteria, regardless of business or vertical market.

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“You don’t plan for opportunities. Rather, you work hard to be ready to take advantage of opportunities when they come.”

Ab and Vini welcome our first international Star, Dr. Ausanee Mahagitsiri Leonio, founder and President of King Food Group (Thailand), a multi-franchise conglomerate.

It all started with “love at first bite” when she tasted a Krispy Kreme donut. From there, she’s brought Krispy Kreme, Cinnabon, Bulgogi Brothers, Pie-Face, Jamba Juice, and IHOP Thailand under the King Foods umbrella, expanding the franchise footprints of 6 international brands.

Along the way she’s remained a trailblazer at leveraging influential brands for socioeconomic value and wellbeing in the communities that host them. Listen and learn from this well-grounded academic whose entrepreneurial forays in international franchising are impacting lives and societies in amazing ways.

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“Franchising and entrepreneurship are great bedfellows.”

With more than 40 years of leadership experience at Dunkin’ Brands, Papa John’s, Blockbuster, and currently Chairman and Co-Owner of London’s Leyton Orient Football Club and Principal at Challenge Consulting, Nigel has steered global organizations through both spectacular success and existential threats. In this lively conversation with Ab and Vini, he shared what he’s learned about the game-changing role of authentic listening, servant leadership, diversity (of ALL kinds), and creating a culture that supports positive pushback.

Listen to Nigel’s book, The Challenge Culture: Why The Most Successful Organizations Run on Pushback

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“Franchising is a way to scale value creation quickly.”

As the founder of Jiffy Lube International and chairman of the board of Planet Fitness, our guest Babson College President Stephen Spinelli, Jr. should know! Steve is an entrepreneur who grew up in the world of franchising. His experience in national and international franchising, coupled with his unique understanding of entrepreneurship education and practice, endow him with exceptional perspectives worth learning about. Get ready for a free-wheeling master class with one of the franchising industry’s greatest advocates.

Steve took time out of his busy schedule to talk shop—literally. From his early days with the Jiffy Lube Franchise to where he is today with Planet Fitness, get ready for a free-wheeling conversation with one of the Franchise industry’s greatest advocates.

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How did Tariq Farid go from owning a single flower shop, to tech entrepreneur, to launching and scaling a global franchise brand?

It started with lessons from his mother, “the ultimate entrepreneur.” Tariq, the founder and CEO of Edible Brands, the parent company that includes Edible Arrangements, shares his journey and the insights he’s gained about franchising, entrepreneurial leadership, and above all staying focused on the customer.

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